Category: News and Views
Palestinian PM quits after poll
Former Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei
Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei has resigned from his job following the elections held on Wednesday.
Although the final result has not been confirmed, it looks like Islamic organisation Hamas have taken lots of seats from the ruling party Fatah.
Mr Qurei says Hamas should form the next government. The final election result is expected later on Thursday.
Israel, the US and the EU consider Hamas a terrorist group and have said they do not want to work with them.
Hamas want the Palestinian people to be given their own land, but the land they want is occupied by Israel.
The group say it will never accept the state of Israel, and has used violence in the past.
There have been clashes between Hamas and Fatah supporters in Ramallah. Shots have reportedly been heard, and some people have been injured.
Joint government
Once the final election result is announced, it is likely that Hamas and Fatah will form a joint government made up of both parties.
Fatah has been the ruling party in Palestinian politics for many years, and was formed by former Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat who died in 2005.
Well if the new government wants to nigotiate peace, then it wouldn't be wise to ignore it providing it is reasonable, but if the US and Israel maintain their stance, things will go downhill for that area of the world. Also, this is a radical Islamic regime, like that of Iran, which wants Israel to be whiped off the map. That makes things more interesting if Israel won't nigotiate because their maybe a strtegic alliance formed between the three Arab League members. Something I was wondering though, why doesn't Al-Qaeda have a high profile in Palestine? It'd be the idle place for them I'd have thought.
As an Israeli I can say I'm not shocked by the results of the Palastinian ellections. Hamas was expected to get about 40 per cent, but they won big time. I think even they didn't expect to do so well. :) Still, the palastinians were getting sick and tired of their old corrupted government, they wanted to be able to provide for their families. The former government did nothing to improve the living situation of the people. To make things worse they stole most of the donations from abroad into their own rich pockets. Just when the Palastinian economy was booming and peace process was coming along Arafat drew his people into a pointless intifada. The simple man on the street and some brave officials admit now that it was a mistake.
Hamas on the other hand has been getting stronger over the years. They offered charity, money for the poor, Islamic education, and many other things the people needed but were not getting from the authorities. So if I was a palastinian, I'd vote for hamas too, but as an Israeli I am now scared to death -- literally! Nobody knows what's going to happen in the future. It looks really bad. As for alkaida they are getting stronger in the middle east so now we have another reason to worry. As if we didn't have enough. Finally, as one of you said, hamas wants more than getting their occupied land back. They want to wipe us off the map. If it was just a matter of dividing land, the conflict would have been solved long ago.
I think the failure of the Israely and Palestinion governments over the years to accept that the hole of the West Bank, Gaza and East Jarusalem should be part of Palestine and the rest should be in Israel has caused this conflict to continue. Basically the worst case cinario which is becoming more likely with the reaction in the EU and America to the results, is Iran, Hamas and Syria forming an alegance. It is interesting that one of the reasons that the EU won't nigotiate with Hamas is because it wants Israel wiped from the map, when they're nigotiating with Hitler in Iran who wants the same thing. I think it is very unlikely that Hamas will acknowledge tht Israel has a right to exist, and I think it's very inevitable that Iran and Hamas will be at war with America, Israel and anyone else who has sense including hopefully the UK. I am sick though of hearing all this rubbish about how the lands were stolen from the Palestinions. I heard in a sentence shortly after that stupid statement that Palestinions were among the most educated in the Middle East. Surely if they were so educated they'd realise that over a thousand years ago, they stole the land from the jews hence the reason they flead to Europe and even parts of Asia. Also they'd realise that when wars over land are won, the victor may take land. The land didn't belong to the Palestinions anyway when the Jews set up Israel, it belonged to the UK. Also, many GErmans were also made refugees after the second world war. They were removed from Czechoslovakia and Poland. How many of them blew themselves up around innocent civilians? The Polish people after world war 2 lost land to Russia, did they go blowing themselves up? No! and if the Palestinions were so educated, they'd realise that they've achieved nothing by blowing themselves up. Their existance is dependent on aid, they can't survive without it, and they're so educated, that they're now alienating themselves from those who provide it. I have no respect for them at all, because to gain respect you have to earn it, and a nation which allows childrens programmes to promote suicide bombing isn't worthy of any respect. In fact, I think there's more of a case for Palestine, and its allies been wiped off the map than there is for Israel to be wiped off the map. That doesn't of course mean I want Palestine to be wiped off the map, it means that I believe that there is a stronger arguament for such action than there is for action of that kind against Israel.
Ok, while i have no respect for a terrorist group that uses children in the most emotionally unacceptable ways to suit there cause, i can understand why the Palistinian people feel cheeted.
It's because they were. They were cheeted by many people and continuously put at the back of the line when it comesto land.
Yes, at the end of the war the land belonged to the UK, and it was the UK who cheeted the Arabs. The Arabs helped them to win the war by rebeling against the Turks and overthrowing many of their strongholds. In exchange for this, the Arabs were to be given certain lands to set up their own state. Israil and seria were included in this agreement. However, even while the Arabs were still fighting, deals were being done that went against this.
Now i'm not just saying that Israile should be whiped off the map, because that's not fair. but i do feel that if the English had originally honoured what they had said that these problems wouldn't be as severe as they now are. i think they should take a little more responsebility.
After what the nazis did to the jews in ww2 the international comunity felt obligated to give this land to the jews, and rightfully so in my oppinion. Back then the palastinians missed a good chance to get quite a large portion of the land provided by the UN dividing program. They were originally supposed to get more than what is known now as the bounderies of 67, but their hatred towards zionist and jews got the better of them, so this greediness left them in refugee camps with nothing. I agree with many of the things the wainderful angel said (hope I got your name right...). I have no respect for terrorists who blow themselves up among innocent civilians. Now we have to look at the reality and search for practical solutions. Right now both Hamas and the Israeli government are still talking in ellection propaganda. Israel has negociated with the PLO before they accepted her right to exist. That stage came later after Arafat and his gang were comfortably seated in the teritories. It is only a matter of time before the Israeli government and the hamas realise they have no choice but to sit down and talk. The only question is how much blood will be shed on both sides until that time comes. I also oppose to giving any financial aid to the hamas government. There's no logic in giving money that will be used for terrorist actions. In the meantime, the victims will be innocent civilians as always. That sucks!
And lets not forget ther state of Israel was concieved on the back of terrorist activity by irraeli extremists, there are faults on both sides, however when you take away a Palestinian's land you take away his soul, these people are deeply conected to their land, and what gives israel the right to deny the palestinians the right to be treated like human beings instead of living in ghetto behind an exclusion wall in their own country!.
What gave the Palestinions the right to drive the Israelis out before the first millennium?
agreed goblin, and also firebolt, this land was promised to the Arabs in the early part of ww1. the events of ww2 hadn't even happened.
They like to forget what ever is convenient at the time..FREE Palestine!.
You all seem to forget that there was a very big piece of palestinian land that was BOUGHT from the Arabs (the Turkish to be exact who had control of that part of the world until almost the early 1900s) with Jewish money (Yes, American Jewish money like the Rothchilds). Another issue is that during the "6 DAY" war or Yom Kippur war in 1967 it was the arab nations that attacked Israel during its most holy holiday and LOST both the war (in just 6 days) and a large part of land that surrounded Jerusalem. The truth is that the arab hate has blinded them to what they could have gotten if they were open to dialogue instead of war and terrorist attacks. I, for one, have no compation for people who kill for a cause no matter how holy that cause is. And if Goblin defends the poor palestinians then he should go also fight for the Irish whose land is occupied by the Scottish and the British!!! Star
It was the Arabs who turned out to be so affective against the Turks. In the lands that are full of desert and roug ground, hot weather and so on, the Brittish didn't have a Snowballs chance in hell of defeeting them. That's prooven by the fact that they were losing the battle of Galipole. The Arabs are continuously used in this situation, if they weren't, then why didn't Brittain come clean at the first instance and tell them that they were going to go back on their deal? it's because they needed them...they needed them to do their dirty work.
Sure, that land is sacred to jews, but it's highly sacred to Muslams too, Unfortunately, People have such a bad perspective upon the Arab world today that that view is being neglected and far too many people have taken Israille's side blindly.
Agreed Goblin...Free Palistine!! and while i'm at it, Free Tebet also.
Well if I had to choose a side, I'd have to choose Israels. Perhaps Arabs ought to concentrate on sorting their own countries out first, especially since Israelis have far more freedom and better education than them. It is true that the British used the Arabs. However, if the Arabs had better armies than us, they'd have been able to get us off teir land after the war. The British aren't the only ones guilty of going back on their word. Russia promised Eastern European countries that there'd be freedom there. They invited to Poland the government exiled in London and bumped them off. There are far more worse incidents of backstabbing than what the British did to the Arabs, including what the British did to the tribes of America who fought for Britain before been slaughtered for been next in line.
WW, that education and freedom is bought with U.S. money, something the Palestinians do not enjoy though. Israel has some brilliant people and businesses and are developing interesting technologies in their own right but they wouldn't exist without excessive funding from abroad.
I don't really see the point in all this though, I think two states with the 1967 border honorred is the only obvious, logical and just solution at this point, we allhave rights to live indignity and the international community does not recozgnize Israeli west bank settlements and they're clearly breaking international law with their settlement activity.
If both sides could give in enough to do the 1967 border agreement we wouldn't be having this huge issue and people wouldn't have to die and suffer every day.
For one thing this is something Israelis have to do because the Israeli arab population is growing at 3 or 4 times the rate of the Jewish population and unless they start creating a society of different classes and alienate their own citizens they have to make changes before the Arabs simply become a majority of israeli society and bring about changes through the democratic process.
cheers
-B